Well.. i finally got the database working. Now idling around with nothing to do. Got one more week before my long holiday and I need to finish off whatever I need to do before that. Somehow or rather I'm not in the zest to do anything today.
Went back home and cook for lunch. Curry chicken, some prawns and a bit of rice. Filling but I think i added in too much oil and grease. Now bloated and kinda lazy. Hauled myself back to the office for more idle stuff and killing time until my next paycheck arrives.
Did a little bit of research on the latest java programming development. I can do a lot with Java but PHP is the "in-thing" nowadays. Not many hosting supports java and those that do cost a hefty sum. Need an idea on how to generate a search module for mychub. But I'll put that on hold until next week, when a new team of web developers volunteer comes in.
Dabbled abit with the Xeon server and updated some patches. Did a bit of hack on the 2003 terminal server. I hate windows.. but my vendor swears that thats the way to go. If I'd go my way, I would change it to linux and stick to it. Updated my personal Blade Red Hat server to the latest patch and upgraded the webmin module to version 1.70.
Then read some online new at tomshardware.com. Nothing much to catch there, a new article on how to make a cheap XGA projector. Maybe I would try one of those.. have a couple of old laptops that needs to be thrown away. Salvage the LCD screen and hook it up to a projector.
Tinkered abit with MsSQL 8, personally I prefer Oracle 9i better. No comprimise! Whatever MS puts under the hood just makes the server crawls. The microsoft way... hehehe.
So that's all for today... maybe tomorrow I have more exciting stuff to write.
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This a special blog regarding my life... read with discretion. Some might not like what I say.. some would cherish it as words of wisdom. For me, these are the words of my experience.
Thursday, November 18, 2004
Tuesday, November 16, 2004
Selamat Hari Raya Aidilfitri


Raya tahun ni tak berapa meriah. Maklom la.. raya ke-4 dah kena kerja balik. Adoii malasnyer... Aku ada satu projek belom siap lagi ni... Buat Database application. Sengaja aku lengah2 sampai last minit. Mana ler tahu.. kot kot ada idea canggih datang time-time last minit nie.
Pagi raya pertama aku pegi beraya kat rumah Adie (Bleubar) - sempat la makan ala kadar. SMS Riez, akak dia sakit masuk hospital. So kensel gi rumah riez. Then pegi rumah Kapitan - makan lagie. Pastu ajak kapitan pegi rumah Imran - perut dah kembong tak leh nak makan lagi. Lekat kat rumah imran dekat 2 jam.. gara-gara nak tunggu Suhaili datang. Bila suhaili sampai, then ramai-ramai gi rumah Abg Mokhtar. Borak-borak sampai la maghrib. Dah gerak nak balik.. alih-alih dapat idea nak gi Muar plak. So call la Hardchub. Nasib baik Hard ada kat umah. Kap macam biasa bawak kereta sesat sampai Sg Mati nak masuk Serom. Sampai umah hard makan lagie. Pastu hard ajak gi beraya rumah Bigmalay (Biggie).. terus konvoi gi rumah biggie. Borak lagi sampai la kul 12 mlm.
Lepas hantar sumer balik, sampai rumah dah dekat 3 pagi. Letih giler.. terus tido.
Besoknya bangun tido kul 11 pagi. Terus masuk opis... ingat nak siapkan database.. idea tarak. Buat itu ini.. check e-mail bla bla bla.. dah kul 11 malam. Aiseh.. cepatnya masa berlalu. Balik rumah terus makan dan tido. Then bangun kul 9 pagi.. siap apa yang patut.. then hantar Jesnita balik KL. kat highway plak jem.. nak balik singgah kat R&R.. nasi habis.. terpaksa la aku makan bubur nasi je nak alas perut sementara nak sampai rumah.
Atas highway baru aku perasan minyak dah nak habis. Dalam wallet tinggal seringgit je. Lupa nak cucuk duit kat ATM. Singgah kat Seremban .. ATM tergendala sebentar. Ok tak pe.. singgah kat Restoran Jejantas Ayer Keroh.. sama jugak.. ATM tergendala. Aiseh.. minyak dah sampai menyala E. Gamble je la.. pecut sampai jugak kat rumah. Sempat plak singgah kat opis kejap.. uiks.. aku ada sehari lagi dateline untuk database ni.. tak per tangguh lagi. Masih ada masa...
Kepala aku dah pening.. besok harapnya idea datang mencurah-curah untuk database project ni. Sementara tu.. copy masuk thumbdrive. Kot kat umah nanti aku terasa nak buat. Maybe lepas tengok DVD citer "The Incredibles". Aku ada semangat sket nak buat. Tuh ler.. aku sumpah seranah boss baru ni.. kedekut nak mampoz. Orang suruh bayor RM 4000 untuk database yang dah siap tak nak.. dok suruh aku buat free free. Hmm.. jawabnya aku buat cincai je la.. jangan marah plak kalu tak ikut spec. Aku pakai Access je.. padan muka ko. Kalu nak version pakai Oracle.. bayor la. Pueh hati.
Saturday, October 23, 2004
Of Birthdays and Babes....

Yeay! got an early B'day present from Abu_Chub today... a spanking new Nokia 6600 handphone. Always wanted that phone coz of the superb camera feature. And it's chub too... shucks! how did you ever guessed that I like chubby handphones Abu ? Thank you.. thank you.. thank you... thank you!!!
Although I miss my Nokia 2300 with the radio function. Nonetheless, beggar can't be choosers.
Now I can play with GPRS MMS function and surf the web via WAP. I read somewhere that you can actually control linux server via your phone. So thats what I'm gonna try out. Makes my life a whole lot easier. Been adding in a lot of software into it too. One nifty app i found is a mosquito repellent software, where the phone can actually send out a high pitched sound and it's supposed to deter any blood sucking mosquitos. Nifty huh !!!
Other than that, I've been taking candid pictures like crazie. Look at the quality of that...



Anyway, I'm still fiddling with the video function as the default app only allows you to record abt 10 sec. Just downloaded the philips cam pro app, the quality is good. But it sometimes hangs.
Anyway, i quite happy with my new fangled gadgets. Until I get one of those Nokia 7610.. *hint* *hint*
Btw, a girl I knew from her sister who works at my office, suddenly asked me out for buka puasa at her house. I guess she fancies me.. or does the sister ?? Hmm.. there maybe hope yet. I wouldn't get all my eggs into one basket though. I think meet the parents thing for buka puasa is a bad start for a relationship.
That reminds me of a new movie coming out called "Hitch - The Cure for The Common Man", starring 2 of my fav actor, Will Smith & Kevin James (Of The King of Queens Sitcom). The last part of the scene which shows Kevin James kissing Will Smith is hillarious. Can't wait to see that...
Thursday, October 14, 2004
A Pleasant Surprise....
What seems like a crappy weekend, turns out the opposite. Due to a certain individual set out on a vendetta against me and mychub. Spreading my blog into the yahoo groups, and trying to tarnish my reputation. I got a lot of heavy traffic lately. It raises some eyebrows definately and not to mention ruffled a few feathers.
But nothing could beat the suprise cheque from Google Inc. My 1st payment from the Google ads in my blogger. Thanks to the adsense program I've now got a steady income around 100 US Dollar a month. That translates into RM 380. Which is easy money considering that I didn't write much in here.
Whatever the vicious plan set upon me backfired. I'm a couple of hundred dollars richer.. so should I be depressed and afraid like the title says ? hell yeah.
Moral of the story :: Hiding under the veil of anonymity of Yahoo would not do you any good. I've tracked the culprits's IP : 219.93.174.xxx (wan2mambo / men4menchub / amir20041). And already asked Yahoo! to give me the identity of this user. Harassment is still a crime... may it be online or offline.
UPDATE:
Yahoo have complied with our complaints and the culprit Yahoo group (mychaser2003) have been removed permanently. Not only that, we also got a tip from Yahoo of who is the culprit!! Yes... we gotcha !!
But nothing could beat the suprise cheque from Google Inc. My 1st payment from the Google ads in my blogger. Thanks to the adsense program I've now got a steady income around 100 US Dollar a month. That translates into RM 380. Which is easy money considering that I didn't write much in here.
Whatever the vicious plan set upon me backfired. I'm a couple of hundred dollars richer.. so should I be depressed and afraid like the title says ? hell yeah.
Moral of the story :: Hiding under the veil of anonymity of Yahoo would not do you any good. I've tracked the culprits's IP : 219.93.174.xxx (wan2mambo / men4menchub / amir20041). And already asked Yahoo! to give me the identity of this user. Harassment is still a crime... may it be online or offline.
UPDATE:
Yahoo have complied with our complaints and the culprit Yahoo group (mychaser2003) have been removed permanently. Not only that, we also got a tip from Yahoo of who is the culprit!! Yes... we gotcha !!
Wednesday, October 06, 2004
My 2 cents...
A few weeks ago, moks was asked to have a meeting with the Bigboyz (Mike Kang, Mostapa, Munno & BigBear). Later, Basketball joined us, while Bob Sani of BLEUbar as the inter-mediator.
The whole reason for the meeting was to organize "The Big Party". The one party that is said to unite the whole Chub & Chaser Community. Organized by Bigboyz, Venue provided by BLUEbar.
Moks however was quite reluctant. As the old saying goes, once bitten twice shy. I don't want to open the closet here, but after what they had done to mychub was an utter betrayal. I don't hold grudges, but I have learnt my lesson well not to trust Bigboyz, esp with events involving money.
After the MyChub Annual Dinner 2000. Mike & Pa took almost 1/2 of the mychub members with him and created bigboyz, along with the left over money from the MyChub Annual Dinner 2000. There weren't a single cent left and me and abu had to strugle and built mychub from scratch.
There were few symphathetic who knew the whole story but even they could do nothing. Some were scared, more don't even care.
Now we have re-buit mychub to what it is today.
And now they dare to ask MyChub to join them back. While they organize and reapt the profit. While Bleubar gets his percentage from the collection money. MyChub gets nothing... just a small logo on the flyers saying we supported the event. How pityful is that...
Thanks, but NO THANKS... I'm not going to be your propaganda machine anymore. You reap the profit and we'll get the blame.
Let people say that I'm a party pooper. Let people say that I don't contribute to the betterment of the Chub & Chaser community. But I will not let mychub be used for anybody's personal gain.
So I'm staying as far away as possible from these kniving people.
MyChub has been a pioneer & innovator for the chub & chaser community. We were the one that proposed the idea of a the local / state minor club by the name of MyChub Rep.
Back then, nobody dared, many even laughed and ridiculed at the idea. But now, look how far we have achieved (and being deceived).
For the Northern States, there now NCC. Our mychub rep aalimin becomes the head of NCC. But now, they don't even acknowledge that they are part of mychub. And the galleries are full of Bigboyz people.
For the southern states there is JBChub under Mallchub & ZainJB. We hope that it would not be like NCC. But it too had it's rough times. When mychub initially had it's gatherings under Maori27, Bigboyz had done their part in nearly wrecking JBchub.
Most of the poeple don't know and don't care about all these. But for the sake of MyChub... I still know and I still care...
UPDATE:
This blog post has been mis-edited and spread like wildfire via e-mail according to the whims of certain groups or individuals. Oh well.. it's shows the power of blogging and it sure ruffled some feathers. GOOD!! Power to the people I'd say !
The whole reason for the meeting was to organize "The Big Party". The one party that is said to unite the whole Chub & Chaser Community. Organized by Bigboyz, Venue provided by BLUEbar.
Moks however was quite reluctant. As the old saying goes, once bitten twice shy. I don't want to open the closet here, but after what they had done to mychub was an utter betrayal. I don't hold grudges, but I have learnt my lesson well not to trust Bigboyz, esp with events involving money.
After the MyChub Annual Dinner 2000. Mike & Pa took almost 1/2 of the mychub members with him and created bigboyz, along with the left over money from the MyChub Annual Dinner 2000. There weren't a single cent left and me and abu had to strugle and built mychub from scratch.
There were few symphathetic who knew the whole story but even they could do nothing. Some were scared, more don't even care.
Now we have re-buit mychub to what it is today.
And now they dare to ask MyChub to join them back. While they organize and reapt the profit. While Bleubar gets his percentage from the collection money. MyChub gets nothing... just a small logo on the flyers saying we supported the event. How pityful is that...
Thanks, but NO THANKS... I'm not going to be your propaganda machine anymore. You reap the profit and we'll get the blame.
Let people say that I'm a party pooper. Let people say that I don't contribute to the betterment of the Chub & Chaser community. But I will not let mychub be used for anybody's personal gain.
So I'm staying as far away as possible from these kniving people.
MyChub has been a pioneer & innovator for the chub & chaser community. We were the one that proposed the idea of a the local / state minor club by the name of MyChub Rep.
Back then, nobody dared, many even laughed and ridiculed at the idea. But now, look how far we have achieved (and being deceived).
For the Northern States, there now NCC. Our mychub rep aalimin becomes the head of NCC. But now, they don't even acknowledge that they are part of mychub. And the galleries are full of Bigboyz people.
For the southern states there is JBChub under Mallchub & ZainJB. We hope that it would not be like NCC. But it too had it's rough times. When mychub initially had it's gatherings under Maori27, Bigboyz had done their part in nearly wrecking JBchub.
Most of the poeple don't know and don't care about all these. But for the sake of MyChub... I still know and I still care...
UPDATE:
This blog post has been mis-edited and spread like wildfire via e-mail according to the whims of certain groups or individuals. Oh well.. it's shows the power of blogging and it sure ruffled some feathers. GOOD!! Power to the people I'd say !
Friday, September 03, 2004
Penang Road Trip... 2004 and Merdeka Day!!!
Among all suprises.. Abu_Chub came to Melacca to visit me. In my down mood, a familiar face is a good thing to see. He was on his way back to Penang and wanted to see if I wanted to join him. So I took a whole week off and travel to Penang. It was much of the needed relief that I was looking for.
We planned to go to Aalimin's & Usman's Birthday party on the 4th, but both of us does not have adequate holidays left, thus we try to make it up by showing there a little earlier.

(Standing : Zaif, Moks, Usman)
(Sitting : Aalimin, Legolas_the_elf)
TQ to all NCC members (esp cutie Bob) for the great hospitality.
And Congratulation to Aalimin & Usman for their new CC !!.
Along the highway, stopped at the Sg. Perak to buy a supply of Tongkat Ali. Never believed in the stuff until i tried it. It a Miracle !!!
On the 31st we headed back to Johore. A bit of bad news, abu's motocycle had been stolen. Spent the whole merdeka celebration at Pantai Lido around Danga Bay watching the fireworks display. It was Awsome!! but the traffic was realy bad. Finally went back to KT really exhausted. On the 1st, went to JB to look around for a car for abu, finally ordered a Proton Gen2. But it will take around 2 months to get it. So abu.. hang on there, it's just a minor set back.
Bro Josie had a cute baby boy. Congrats bro !!! (Reminder: get a gift for the baby)
And Abg Mokhtar stopped by my office for a visit today.. it's been ages since I last saw him. Suprise.. suprise !!!
We planned to go to Aalimin's & Usman's Birthday party on the 4th, but both of us does not have adequate holidays left, thus we try to make it up by showing there a little earlier.

(Standing : Zaif, Moks, Usman)
(Sitting : Aalimin, Legolas_the_elf)
TQ to all NCC members (esp cutie Bob) for the great hospitality.
And Congratulation to Aalimin & Usman for their new CC !!.
Along the highway, stopped at the Sg. Perak to buy a supply of Tongkat Ali. Never believed in the stuff until i tried it. It a Miracle !!!
On the 31st we headed back to Johore. A bit of bad news, abu's motocycle had been stolen. Spent the whole merdeka celebration at Pantai Lido around Danga Bay watching the fireworks display. It was Awsome!! but the traffic was realy bad. Finally went back to KT really exhausted. On the 1st, went to JB to look around for a car for abu, finally ordered a Proton Gen2. But it will take around 2 months to get it. So abu.. hang on there, it's just a minor set back.
Bro Josie had a cute baby boy. Congrats bro !!! (Reminder: get a gift for the baby)
And Abg Mokhtar stopped by my office for a visit today.. it's been ages since I last saw him. Suprise.. suprise !!!
Wednesday, August 18, 2004
Fever and itch..
I'm not feeling well today. It's not yet a full blown fever. But it's coming soon. I can feel it in me bones. The un-easyness, the restlessness. A pain on the neck. All symtoms of a coming fever. But yet I refuse to do anything about it. I'm just one of those naturalist... i don't believe in drugs or anything that's related to drugs to cure me. In fact, the body should heal naturally over time, it will then be strong enough to fight any sort of illness in the future.
Our world world is full of chemicals. i despies insect repellent sprays and other toxicity that is being dump into our atmosphere. What I need is a good long vacation. Okay.. that's what I'll do. I'll take a week's break and maybe try to detoxify myself... sun, sea and sand.. here i come..!! meanwhile I need to lay in bed a few hours and let my aching body rest a bit.
Before that.....
Finally, I managed to rummage and sorted all the 3000 data within record time. Had a presentation meeting at 4.00 and I finished the report printout at 3.45. *Pheww!* a close call.
With trembling fingers I pushed the print button and it's all done.
The rest of the afternoon was spent sleeping in the office. Yes.. I have one of the luxuries of having my own office with a small bedroom which I sometimes takes a nap there... a small corner with a comfy bed and a cozy pillow. Felt heavenly for a while.... zzZZZzzzzz... zzZZZzzzz
Sunday, August 15, 2004
Car Repair and some bitches at work...
Had changed the 2 rear tyres of my car. Also changed the both left chambers. Moved the front tyres to the back and added the new one in place. In total, it cost me RM 310.
Came to work today and found out the Bitch had taken over my project. So fine, I will give her a hard time. The only reason we took her in was to help me handle last years data backlog. And now she persuaded the boss that I should handle last year data while she handles this year's data. Sounds fine.. except that last year.. we had 3000 entries to process while this year.. everything is automated (courtesy of my hardwork). So all she had to do was a couple of clicks. While i had to rummage through 3000 of data. Who does she thinks she is ?
Came to work today and found out the Bitch had taken over my project. So fine, I will give her a hard time. The only reason we took her in was to help me handle last years data backlog. And now she persuaded the boss that I should handle last year data while she handles this year's data. Sounds fine.. except that last year.. we had 3000 entries to process while this year.. everything is automated (courtesy of my hardwork). So all she had to do was a couple of clicks. While i had to rummage through 3000 of data. Who does she thinks she is ?
Tuesday, August 10, 2004
Indecisive
Definition:
[adj] not definitely settling something; "a long and indecisive war"
[adj] characterized by lack of decision and firmness; "an indecisive manager brought the enterprise to a standstill"
[adj] not clearly defined; "indecisive boundaries running through mountains"
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That was one term used by a friend of mine to describe the whole me. Maybe I am that way.. but what if I'm not ? Need to ponder more on that...
Well nothing much to do in the office lately. I've been keeping myself busy reading some sci-fi e-books I've down off the net. I've been facinated with Isaac Asimov since I was a teenager. With the release of the movie "I,Robot". It struck me to re-read his books, particularly regarding The Foundation Series. I've finished "The Prelude to Foundation". Now going to "Forward the Foundation".
(Note to myself: Find Arthur C. Clarke - Rendezvous with Rama)
[adj] not definitely settling something; "a long and indecisive war"
[adj] characterized by lack of decision and firmness; "an indecisive manager brought the enterprise to a standstill"
[adj] not clearly defined; "indecisive boundaries running through mountains"
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That was one term used by a friend of mine to describe the whole me. Maybe I am that way.. but what if I'm not ? Need to ponder more on that...
Well nothing much to do in the office lately. I've been keeping myself busy reading some sci-fi e-books I've down off the net. I've been facinated with Isaac Asimov since I was a teenager. With the release of the movie "I,Robot". It struck me to re-read his books, particularly regarding The Foundation Series. I've finished "The Prelude to Foundation". Now going to "Forward the Foundation".
(Note to myself: Find Arthur C. Clarke - Rendezvous with Rama)
Thursday, August 05, 2004
JB Gatherings
Well.. the weekends were spent going to the JBchub gathering in Johore. Actually it was not planned. I called Abu_Chub and he was in Batu Pahat. So after work I drove to Batu Pahat to pick-up Abu at the Garden Hotel and off we went to JB.
Did some seight seeing at the JB maze. Then off we went to dinner with ZainJB and the gang near the ProJet station somewhere around Angsana. There were a few new faces and well the old faces around. Well.. it was like a pre-gath, discussing about what to wear, things to bring and things to do and as such. Later Abahmoden (mallchub), joined us for a late supper. Around 1 am, we had to excused ourselves coz we need to drive for another 2 hours to Kota Tinggi. Although we can get a hotel in JB and starts the travel with the gang in the morning. But we promised to get some stuff ready for them and it's all in Kota Tinggi.
I slept at some part of the journey and the road was so deserted and lonely, there were no gas station around and after drinking so much (... like 3 glasses of Milo). I had to pee a few times and the only option was the road side. Desperate times requires desperate measures!!! Felt like a dog marking my territory.. *piisshhhhh*
Reached Kota Tinggi at abt 4 am. Went about doing my stuff.. preparing the souveniers while Abu slept soundly. Finished at abt 6.00 am. Slept abt 4 hours and woke at 9.00 am. Had a quick bath and then off to the local town for a cake and some wrappings. (... had to improvised a bit). then off we drove to Bandar Penawar to meet the rest of the gang. Fortunately, when we reach there there were about to have breakfast. So we joined them.
After breakfast, our convoi of 2 cars and 1 SUV packed with chubs started it's journey to La'Cemara Resort in Desaru. Upon reaching there, we packed our stuff. But the guard made a fuss that since we are not hotel visitors, we had to park outside. so much for Redtape! Anyway, with the infamous power of persuasion of Mallchub, we got to park the cars inside. (... there weren't so many cars in the first place). It was nearly deserted.. and on Sunday too.
There were we, BennyJB, the cute singaporean couple, zainJB, Nottichub, Mallchub, Abu_Chub, Pismitt and of course me. We had the whole beach to ourselves. The weather was great... not too hot.. not to cold. It was a great splashing time. During half-time, we went to shore and had some drinks and cut the cake. Tender and moist.
Afterwards, we went for a second round of sand and sea water. Right till afternoon.. we pack our stuff and head to Kota Tinggi for a delicious Nasi Ayam. Then off to Kota Tinggi Waterfalls for more splashing time. The water this time was cold and it had started raining. So it was gushing.. really fantastic.
We came out of the waterfalls at 6.00 pm and hungry again. So we had one last a nice dinner after we all departed to our own destination.
Did some seight seeing at the JB maze. Then off we went to dinner with ZainJB and the gang near the ProJet station somewhere around Angsana. There were a few new faces and well the old faces around. Well.. it was like a pre-gath, discussing about what to wear, things to bring and things to do and as such. Later Abahmoden (mallchub), joined us for a late supper. Around 1 am, we had to excused ourselves coz we need to drive for another 2 hours to Kota Tinggi. Although we can get a hotel in JB and starts the travel with the gang in the morning. But we promised to get some stuff ready for them and it's all in Kota Tinggi.
I slept at some part of the journey and the road was so deserted and lonely, there were no gas station around and after drinking so much (... like 3 glasses of Milo). I had to pee a few times and the only option was the road side. Desperate times requires desperate measures!!! Felt like a dog marking my territory.. *piisshhhhh*
Reached Kota Tinggi at abt 4 am. Went about doing my stuff.. preparing the souveniers while Abu slept soundly. Finished at abt 6.00 am. Slept abt 4 hours and woke at 9.00 am. Had a quick bath and then off to the local town for a cake and some wrappings. (... had to improvised a bit). then off we drove to Bandar Penawar to meet the rest of the gang. Fortunately, when we reach there there were about to have breakfast. So we joined them.
After breakfast, our convoi of 2 cars and 1 SUV packed with chubs started it's journey to La'Cemara Resort in Desaru. Upon reaching there, we packed our stuff. But the guard made a fuss that since we are not hotel visitors, we had to park outside. so much for Redtape! Anyway, with the infamous power of persuasion of Mallchub, we got to park the cars inside. (... there weren't so many cars in the first place). It was nearly deserted.. and on Sunday too.
There were we, BennyJB, the cute singaporean couple, zainJB, Nottichub, Mallchub, Abu_Chub, Pismitt and of course me. We had the whole beach to ourselves. The weather was great... not too hot.. not to cold. It was a great splashing time. During half-time, we went to shore and had some drinks and cut the cake. Tender and moist.
Afterwards, we went for a second round of sand and sea water. Right till afternoon.. we pack our stuff and head to Kota Tinggi for a delicious Nasi Ayam. Then off to Kota Tinggi Waterfalls for more splashing time. The water this time was cold and it had started raining. So it was gushing.. really fantastic.
We came out of the waterfalls at 6.00 pm and hungry again. So we had one last a nice dinner after we all departed to our own destination.
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